tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7120457452312005091.post424034413726227691..comments2022-04-02T21:06:12.808-07:00Comments on Northwoods Gunslinger: GURPS: MacheteswordsSiegehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04745434959272272759noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7120457452312005091.post-23458238031075142182014-11-10T23:10:29.134-08:002014-11-10T23:10:29.134-08:00Chatted with a friend who has several machetesword...Chatted with a friend who has several macheteswords and actual swords from CS, and has used them for a lot of cutting and things of that nature. He said, based on performance, he'd go for the unwieldy, because they don't have the fragility or loss of capacity for potentially holding a sharp edge implied by the regular Cheap quality.Siegehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04745434959272272759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7120457452312005091.post-63216880664196492832014-11-06T15:33:06.447-08:002014-11-06T15:33:06.447-08:00I figured they were all nose heavy, because machet...I figured they were all nose heavy, because machete/falchion. I've handled some machetes and such that were well on their way to Axe/Mace instead of Shortsword to wield. I know that cutlasses are balanced for chopping, was actually surprised to see that they used shortsword stats for the blade rather than falchion. <br /><br />My real problem with just listing them as cheap is that machetes are pretty much designed to be brutalized, and tend to bend rather than break, so the -2 for rolls to not break seems wrong (part of that's just a function of mass, big heavy blades require more weight to hit the 3x threshold). There's also the fact that a fine quality large knife and a cheap falchion/machete cost the same, do the same swing damage and a substantial difference in thrust damage (4 points), with a penalty to parry with the knife and maybe a slight penalty to fast draw the machete in close conditions depending on how big of a machete it is (grabbed by something that warrants the use of melee weapons, etc). For a mere $8 more, a good quality long knife performs the same as the fine large knife, with no penalty to parry and possibly no fast draw penalty. That's why with GOOD machete steel (tough, but still actually fairly sharpenable), I lean towards machetes being unwieldy so they don't lose damage, and to account for their sheer mass (when the shortsword skill is or balanced weapons). Well, depending on quality of said machete (some just use cheap steel and not a lot of it, and definitely should be cheap)<br /><br />I'm reminded of a GM's comments "If I ever write a book on the death of tabletop gaming, I'm naming it 'I Did Some Math'"Siegehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04745434959272272759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7120457452312005091.post-3177992964189876122014-11-06T11:54:34.399-08:002014-11-06T11:54:34.399-08:00I forgot to mention, the kopis shaped machete is b...I forgot to mention, the kopis shaped machete is balanced correctly for a bronze kopis. They're supposed to be nose heavy.<br /><br />I haven't handled the other sword looking machetes, but a real civil war cutlass is also point biased. In fact, the only two swords I've played with that have the "ideal" balance point have been a 600 year old katana and a 18th century dressing sword (small sword in GURPS).Angus McThaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09295013525738248801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7120457452312005091.post-48618117569664380092014-11-03T22:51:51.422-08:002014-11-03T22:51:51.422-08:00I've seen it, quite fascinating.
I'm awa...I've seen it, quite fascinating. <br /><br />I'm aware. I vaguely recall one of their videos on machetes including that same test, but they redid all their videos just recently it seems and I'm not finding it. Some of them, such as the cutlass, when they try to do a fancy sword flourish are very clearly horrendously balanced (along with the guy doing them being incredibly awkward about it). I don't think the machete's would break, per se, so much as just bend (and be bendable back), so I'd treat it as cheap or unwieldy on a case by case basis, depending on if it's just crappy material outright, or crappy material but enough of it to give it the mass to withstand abuse anyway. <br /><br />That said, I presently don't have one of them (yet), and will be holding off on getting one until a bit later. Only machete I have is one of the $7 ones that literally can't even take/hold an edge, and is so poor quality as to be worthless for the sake of this discussionSiegehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04745434959272272759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7120457452312005091.post-84601438498549223362014-11-03T22:18:54.071-08:002014-11-03T22:18:54.071-08:00Track down the Nova episode where they recreated a...Track down the Nova episode where they recreated an Ulfbrecht sword. It's very enlightening concerning weapon quality and what kind of steel goes into it.<br /><br />It's not just balance, it's cross section, composition... lots of things. The Royal Army acceptance test involves clamping the tip then flexing the blade over a set distance, I want to say 24"then it must return to true. The machete would fail this test.Angus McThaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09295013525738248801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7120457452312005091.post-90851239382070086192014-11-03T19:21:11.703-08:002014-11-03T19:21:11.703-08:00Blast, too fast for my distracted edits! Pondering...Blast, too fast for my distracted edits! Pondering the power of mass production with high tech quality steel, and remembering how G$ works, I was able to work out that yeah, "close enough". Siegehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04745434959272272759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7120457452312005091.post-14945955198029945532014-11-03T19:11:10.574-08:002014-11-03T19:11:10.574-08:00I look to the weights. The Cold Steel machetes th...I look to the weights. The Cold Steel machetes that look like swords weigh more like the sword version than the knife version.<br /><br />The Kopis shaped one I have I statted as a small falchion G$ 200 at TL2. $80 for good quality and $40 for cheap. And cheap they should be! The metal used is stamped sheet, not forgings.<br /><br />Another Cold Steel example is their Basket Hilt Claymore. $234 US. That's a thrusting broadsword in GURPS terms. $600 at TL2, or $240 at TL7+... So if they want to treat a machete as a sword, then it's cheap; because that BH Claymore isn't.<br /><br />Also remember that the GURPS $ is a purchase price parity unit and not an actual dollar. The GURPS $ might not always line up perfectly with a US dollar.Angus McThaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09295013525738248801noreply@blogger.com